Run results for: querySelectorAll head vs unrestricted

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Browser: Firefox 91
Operating system: Mac OS X 10.15
Device Platform: Desktop
Date tested: 3 years ago
Test name	Executions per second
Query only the head	39394.3 Ops/sec
Query everywhere	11669.6 Ops/sec
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          <p><strong>If you have been directed here from a pip warning, you don't need to take any action at this stage. Nothing is currently expected to break until Python 3.12, and a full solution will be implemented well before then.</strong></p>
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<p>Quoting <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/uranusjr/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/uranusjr">@uranusjr</a> from <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="3349716" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/Homebrew/discussions/discussions/1405" data-hovercard-type="discussion" data-hovercard-url="/Homebrew/discussions/discussions/1405/hovercard" href="https://github.com/Homebrew/discussions/discussions/1405">Homebrew/discussions#1405</a>:</p>
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<p>I am one of the maintainers of pip, the Python package installer. We are recently informed that Homebrew is currently using <code>distutils.cfg</code> to configure package installation schemes, and we believe it is best for Homebrew to remove the usage.</p>
<p>Python is currently deprecating distutils, and will remove the module entirely in 3.10 (<a href="https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0632/" rel="nofollow">PEP 632</a>). As a part of the transition, pip is moving all its current <code>distutils</code> usages to the <code>sysconfig</code> module instead, and a user recently reported pip would no longer work correctly with Homebrew-compiled Python after the transision. This is due to Homebrew’s usage of <code>distutils.cfg</code>, which is no longer supported in <code>sysconfig</code>.</p>
<p>The <code>distutils.cfg</code> file (and its various variants) has long been disfavoured by Python core maintainers, and the recommendation, if redistributors wish to provide custom install schemes, has been to directly patch <code>distutils</code> and <code>sysconfig</code> instead. This is the current approach taken by all Linux distributions that we have contact with, and the community is working toward providing better support to the patching process (<a href="https://bugs.python.org/issue43976" rel="nofollow">b.p.o-43976</a>). I’m recommending Homebrew to also migrate away from the <code>distutils.cfg</code> usage, since it is going to break while the community continuously migrate away from <code>distutils</code>, and stop working entirely when Python 3.12 lands, and join the conversation with other Python redistributors to improve <code>sysconfig</code> to support Homebrew’s needs.</p>
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<p>Reposting here so it won't get buried in the Discussions page. We probably want to fix <code>python@3.9</code> so it can be easily re-used for <code>python@3.10</code>.</p>
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<p>This links a bit with the <code>pth</code> situation, where it might also be benficial to patch to prevent <code>pip</code> uninstalling brew packages.</p>
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<p>Just wait until a solution has been figured out?</p>
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<p>For users: yes. AFAIK nothing is broken yet.</p>
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<p>The warning still seems a bit early considering a proper solution forward has not yet been agreed in the Python community. The discussion in the linked draft PEP appears to have stalled for now.</p>
<p>It seems the pip team might be trying to push us into applying custom patches. This is not a long term solution at all and is not something we want to maintain in the long run.</p>
<p>Assuming <code>sysconfig</code> is what pip are wanting to use going forward, we actually already do "fix" some <code>sys</code> values via a <code>sitecustomize.py</code> file so I can look into seeing if it works for <code>sysconfig</code> perhaps, but I would like us to focus on getting a better solution integrated into Python 3.10 (or probably 3.11 at this point) as this is becoming a cat and mouse game with different tools using different things - it's not universally <code>sysconfig</code> sadly, even when <code>distutils</code> vanishes.</p>
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<p>IYAM it's not something we want to maintain in the short term either and if upstream prefers to ship a broken system, Homebrew's stance on patches makes it perfectly fine for us to ship said broken version.</p>
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          <p>I think the main problem is I failed to communicate the situation clearly, so please let me try to describe what we’re facing and hopefully provide enough context for the situation.</p>
<p>Python 3.12 is going to remove distutils, and along with it, support for <code>distutils.cfg</code>. This means that how Homebrew is currently distributing Python will break, and we need to do something to avoid Homebrew being unable to distribute a working Python 3.12 when it lands. The approach currently persumed by the Linux community could be a good way to resolve this, but they do not have the same hard deadline on 3.12 like Homebrew (although it is preferred if they could achieve this at that time), because they already have patches to Python that would work for both current Python versions and past 3.12. Homebrew therefore would need to either more actively drive that discussion forward, or persume a downstream patch solution like Linux distributions currently do to keep things working.</p>
<p>Pip, like Homebrew, is currently relying on distutils functionalities, and have the same 3.12 deadline. We are therefore trying to rewrite things in pip to keep it working on Python 3.12 onwards. However, some of the new code, since it can’t depend on distutils and <code>distutils.cfg</code>, is incompatible with how Homebrew distributes Python. This is problematic since Homebrew allows users to freely upgrade their pip version in a Hombrew-distributed Python, and once pip completely migrates off the current distutils implementation (sometime before 3.12 lands), those users upgrading to a new pip version will see pip break on their Hombrew-distributed Python, and pip is going to face an impossible problem—we won’t be able to support a Homebrew-distributed Python because it uses mechanisms pip can’t use, but also can’t stop people from upgrading pip agaist those Python installations.</p>
<p>This is what the warning is about: to raise awareness to the issue, and hopefully gather enough resources and contribute to a resolution. We want pip to work on both Python 3.12 (Homebrew or otherwise), and a Python (&lt;3.12) distributed by Homebrew, but this is not possible without help from Homebrew’s Python distribution maintainers. (Note that pip developers are not CPython developers, so we are not in the best position to come up with a solution that suits Homebrew best, although we are definitely good at checking whether a proposed solution would work!)</p>
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<p>That's gonna be really hard because Homebrew doesn't have a concept of package maintainers. All Homebrew maintainers maintain all packages (or the brew tool) and the public can modify packages however they see fit, as long as it's within the rules defined in docs.brew.sh</p>
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<p>Please do also provide any suggestions how we could improve the warning’s presentation to maximise the effect as well!</p>
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<p>If not, what can the Python / sysconfig people do to make Homebrew's (&amp; others') transitions easier?</p>
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<p>Has anyone from Homebrew told CPython what they want / need?</p>
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<p>If so, will CPython provide it?</p>
<p>If they won't provide it, why?</p>
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<p>Has anyone from Homebrew told CPython what they want / need?</p>
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<p>Currently we provide a distutils.cfg as such:</p>
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prefix=/usr/local
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include_dirs=/usr/local/include:/usr/local/opt/openssl@1.1/include:/usr/local/opt/sqlite/include
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prefix=/usr/local
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include_dirs=/usr/local/include:/usr/local/opt/openssl@1.1/include:/usr/local/opt/sqlite/include
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<p>To my understanding, the way to configure <code>build_ext</code> hasn't changed yet(?), though I've not been closely following setuptools changes. For pip, the discussion is mostly about the install config items, which can now be done by configuring <code>sysconfig</code> (even for things still using distutils once Python 3.10 releases).</p>
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<p>It's no different than <a href="https://bugs.python.org/issue43976" rel="nofollow">bpo-43976</a>, so there's not much to add there. Having a <code>site-packages</code> that lies in a different prefix to the stdlib prefix isn't a unique situation.</p>
<p>I'm happy however to be involved in any necessary discussions however.</p>
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<p>what is left to discuss?</p>
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<p>Honestly, I don't know. I can leave a comment as a "poke" but maybe that's more annoying than helpful.</p>
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<p>It's no different than bpo-43976, so there's not much to add there. Having a site-packages that lies in a different prefix to the stdlib prefix isn't a unique situation.</p>
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<p><a href="https://bugs.python.org/issue43976" rel="nofollow">bpo-43976</a> seems to indicate that Homebrew will have to implement a patch for the Python install. You (<a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/Bo98/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/Bo98">@Bo98</a>) &amp; <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/SMillerDev/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/SMillerDev">@SMillerDev</a> indicated that you don't want to do that for the long term, and possibly not even for the short term. Is that correct?</p>
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<p>If the patch would be fairly simple &amp; stable, would the Homebrew maintainers be amenable to using such a patch? If you aren't amenable to using a patch that is both simple &amp; stable, why?</p>
<p>If the patch should be fairly simple, could someone from CPython / Python / pip / whatever provide a simple patch with placeholders for the values that Homebrew (or others) would supply? Could they commit to providing updates for the simple patch of it must be modified for a new Python version?</p>
<p>If a simple patch would cover most downstream use cases, could CPython (or whoever) just provide the equivalent of that patch either as install options for the values themselves and/or as an install option to specify a config file that provides the values?</p>
<p>Sorry if this has all been answered before, but there are too many comments to quickly find the current status.</p>
<p>Can the current status of everything be inserted into the initial issue comment, so everyone can get up to speed quickly?</p>
<p>Thanks for any info.</p>
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<p>No, bpo-43976 is a request to add a system to customise without applying patches. We don't consider adding new files as a patch (we already do this with <code>sitecustomize.py</code> and <code>distutils.cfg</code>).</p>
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<p>I've added a short note for end users seeing the pip warning, since that'll be what most of the traffic here will be. People interested in the implementation details can follow along with the comments.</p>
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<p>I think this also somewhat answers your other question about why there is not a commonly maintained patch, or even upstreamed back into CPython. Each downstream distributor does things a bit differently, so their patches also need to slightly differ, and they can’t agree on what to upstream in the first place (the metioned in-draft PEP is an effort toward some kind of common ground, but it’s just very hard). I believe Red Hat’s patch is actually more popular than Debian’s (also used by at least Cygwin and MSYS2), but their setups are also significantly different from Homebrew’s. Homebrew’s setup is (from my very limited experience) actually most similar to NixOS(?) but Nix does some very fancy stuff because they have very ambitious goals not perused by anyone else.</p>
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<p><a href="https://bugs.python.org/issue43976" rel="nofollow">bpo-43976</a> seems to indicate that Homebrew will have to implement a patch for the Python install.</p>
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<p>No, bpo-43976 is a request to add a system to customise without applying patches. We don't consider adding new files as a patch (we already do this with <code>sitecustomize.py</code> and <code>distutils.cfg</code>).</p>
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<p>Sorry. I only scanned the issues &amp; its comments. I saw some talk in the comments about "patching" <code>sysconfig.py</code>, so I assumed that people were suggesting patching it instead of providing a proper config file.</p>
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<p>If Python requires patching instead of supporting a config file, if a patch similar to Debian's will work for Homebrew &amp; would be stable for many Python versions, 3 dozen or so line changes in a single file to get Python working in Homebrew seems preferable to providing it broken, and to not providing new versions at all. It might not be as ideal as Python supporting a config file, but it's better than the alternatives, if Python forces patching upon everyone.</p>
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Tests:
Query only the head
console.log(Array.from(document.querySelectorAll('html > head > meta')).map(meta => meta.content).join(', '));
Query everywhere
console.log(Array.from(document.querySelectorAll('meta')).map(meta => meta.content).join(', '));
Run results for: querySelectorAll head vs unrestricted

Query only the head

Query everywhere
